Tuesday, May 15, 2007

Nazotte Oboeru Otona no Kanji Renshu




なぞっておぼえる大人の漢字練習


Nazotte Oboeru Otona no Kanji Renshu


- A Japanese learner's perspective review




Gacha-Gacha Review:


Level: Intermediate to Advanced Japanese students


The Good: Your one stop kanji shop! Includes practices, tests and games for all 1,945 elementary and middle school kanji. In practice sessions, readings are shown along with stroke order. Input recognition is very high. Excellent progressive learning system. Unlockable content. Various music and background noises (birds chirping, etc).

The Bad: Sometimes example sentences can range from easy to extremely hard regardless of the level of the question kanji, making the game frustrating for beginners. No good review system for going back to practice kanji that you want to review again.

The Ugly: As the title suggests, this software is for adults to *review* kanji, so at times it can be very difficult for a beginner or even an intermediate Japanese student. One theme layout can make the game tedious after playing for a while. The background music for the kanji logic puzzle section makes me question humanity and what it's capable of inflicting on other human beings.



Nitty - Gritty Review:

Still looking for a good kanji practice program for the DS? Is this the one that's going to get your money? In short...yes. With that out of the way, let's get right down to the nitty-gritty shall we?

First, again, I would like to point out who this title is aimed at. Obviously as the title suggests, this kanji practice software is aimed at adults who are reviewing kanji they already know. But being as it's for adults, it has some advantages that titles like Tadashi Kanji Kakitorikun (another software similar in design) doesn't have. One of the best advantages is that unlike other non-game, adult, kanji practice software like Kanken DS it's focus is not on kanji practice for tests or remembering often unused or obscure kanji, but rather on reinforcing the common and most often used kanji. As such, this makes it an ideal software for the Japanese student.


The game itself is very user friendly. After turning the system on and entering the game you are presented with the main option screen that is divided into three categories: My Training, Easy Test (簡単テスト), and Kanji Game.

My Training (screenshot to the left, categories read top to bottom, left to right) is where you'll be spending most of your time. It's sub divided into 5 parts. Today's Practice, Leveling Up, "Category" Challenge (actually 雑学 - ざつがく means "miscellaneous knowledge" but in this case it refers to challenging words divided up into specific categories like food, science, Japanese, etc), Grade Up Test, and 苦手克服 (にがてこくふく, or "overcoming the kanji you are weak at"). The top display screen keeps track of the amount of kanji (out of the 1,945) that you have both practiced and passed.
The layout of each section is pretty much straight forward. The top display screen shows you the sentence containing either the kanji or the yomikata (reading, both onyomi and kunyomi) for the kanji to be written. The input screen is where the user will write the kanji or hiragana to answer the questions or, as shown in the screenshot on the right, the stroke order will be practiced by copying over the red lines.

Input recognition is very high. I have had very few times where the software has failed to recognize what I have written. Stoke order is important though as with most kanji software, being able to write the proper stroke order increases the chances that it will be recognized by the software. If anything, sometimes the recognition is too good as it will anticipate a kanji being written half way through and pop up the answer before you are finished.

This software is outstanding in the fact that the user will be able to practice both writing the kanji and writing the readings of the kanji. For higher level Japanese language learners, it's almost an indispensable tool for studying kanji with. Not only that, the organization of how one studies has been well though out. In the "Today's Practice" part the user is always given kanji and readings in pairs. For example if the first question has 車 in it's question, the user writes the hiragana reading in the input screen. Then the next question will have しゃ or くるま in the question, so the user will write 車 in the input screen. Presenting the kanji in pairs like this really help to reinforce the kanji when studying I feel.

Beginner students to Japanese might find this title a little intimidating at times though, which is why I am not fully recommending it to them. The problem is that even with some of the easy kanji like 立つ or 日 (たつ or にち) while the kanji themselves are not hard to write or the reading hard to remember, in the test and practice sections the software uses a lot of harder kanji (and grammar) in the example sentences that contain the question kanji. In the screenshot below, the phrase 腹が立つ is used for the kanji 立つ. While not really all that hard in itself, the phrase (which means to get mad / become angry) is not one that a beginner will be familiar with. The software is designed to be used by Japanese adults who know how to read everything around the question kanji, thus giving them a hint to which kanji they should be using.



On the other hand though, for beginners who have a firm grasp of hiragana and katakana, this will be an excellent tool for acquiring new vocabulary and phrases. Also, as a little bonus is the fact that all the other kanji in the question sentence will have furigana (the small hiragana written above kanji) making looking up words in a dictionary thankfully much easier. Another good system for beginners is that you have the option of having the answer given to you, the question is marked as "missed" and not counted towards the total of anything, but the user is still made to write the kanji or readings to continue on in the lesson or test.

The game section is also very fun, if not also a little bit too hard for beginners. There is a square logic puzzle (where you guess which spaces should be filled in to make a picture of a kanji on a 15x15 grid) that is the most accessible to beginner students. This game though features the most annoying background music I have ever heard in a game (background music can't be changed in the games). Seriously, it gets into your head and lays waste to everything good you might have ever heard or know about music. It also the effect of making an otherwise fun game into a tedious choir. Other games are writing the kanji for the different prefectures in Japan and filling in the blank spaces for popular 4 kanji idioms. These sections are really only for the hardcore Japanese student, as even native speakers find these kinds of questions hard.

As you progress in your training and complete kanji, new games and background sounds become available. My favorite unlockable background sound is the "forest" sound of birds chirping.

Overall though this is probably the best kanji training software on the market today for students of Japanese. The fact that you can first "learn" the kanji by practicing the stroke order, then testing your knowledge out in the various tests and games (both writing the kanji and writing the onyomi and kunyomi) makes this worth the price of admission alone. The only drawback to the title is in the fact that once kanji are "learned" then they tend to disappear never to be seen again. Kanji that are missed in training lessons are sent to that 苦手克服 section where they can be practiced again, but once they are done correctly they disappear into the masses only to be practiced again if you go back to the level the kanji was in and go though the whole section again.

I would highly recommend this title to everyone, beginners should note though that a firm grasp of hiragana is necessary as well as moderate grammar skills. It will be great as a supplemental to intermediate students and a challenge to advanced students (as in the higher level kanji). If you have a chance to pick up this title, I don't think you will be disappointed.

P.S. I apologize for the number of times the word "kanji" appears in this review. I think it's about 十万. I am just as sick of typing it as you are of reading it. Sometimes those subject-less sentences in Japanese are quite nice to read.

16 comments:

Coal said...

Picked up a copy yesterday and from what I've seen so far would certainly agree with most of what you said. Not perfect, but well worth a copy if you're an intermediate to advanced learner.

And after playing the logic puzzle for a good hour or two, I'm seriously contemplating taking my own life! ;-)

forestsprite said...

How would you stack this title against Kanken DS? I'm considering purchasing a DS (either that or a PSP), and the kanji training games are the main draw for me. I'm also curious about the two other games recently out, especially Utsukushii Nihongo no Kakikata - Hanashikata DS. I suppose I'll wait for reviews on those titles and decide then.

But how can I possibly choose between kanji learning and Crisis Core?

Coal said...

Actually, those are the only two games I have. Been using them both in fairly equal amounts and would say they compliment each other pretty well, though I think you'd get more out of them if you're higher rather than lower level.

Chris said...

Kanken DS and Nazotte Oboeru are both excellent titles and I would recommend picking them both up. Kanken DS is great for drilling you on compounds and radicals while Nazotte will help you with writing.

If you're on a budget, then considering your short-term study goals would be the best option.

If you are considering taking the Kanji Kentei, then without a doubt Kanken DS is the best choice. It will help you prep for the test and become accustomed to the types of questions that will appear.

On the other hand, if you are simply looking to brush up on your kanji, then Nazotte will do just that. You'll learn how to read and write characters at your own pace while expanding your vocabulary through the example sentences.

As coal mentions, the logic puzzles are pretty fun, too. I got through a bunch without too much damage to the cerebellum.

Shane said...

Hey!

Glad to hear the review was in line with what your experiencing. Just out of curiosity, what parts didn't you agree with?

Yea, I always turn the music down. I kinda don't like doing that though...the game should provide it's own atsmphere, and it shouldn't be suicidal.

As far as comparing the Kanken DS to Kanji Renshu. Like Chris said, it's mainly up to what your goals for studying Japanese are. I personally would go for the Kanji Renshu as you'll get more pratical study from it. Kanken is good, but it's first and formost a study tool for a specific test (which is of course for kanji). But I just feel that the more pratical use kanji are covered in Kanji Renshu, rather then the hard to read or obscure kanji that are meant to test how many kanij and readings you know. I'll be covering these points in a post I'm quasi-working on now about studying kanji in general, so stay tuned...

But thanks for taking the time out to read it in any case!

Coal said...

The part where it tests your reading and writing in pairs I think could be done better - knowing that for each kanji that comes up you're going to be asked to write it on the next screen, I find a tendency to overlook at it before I put the hiragana in, so the writing is only really testing my immediate short term memory. And then you never see them again...

A couple of points to note - in the category tests, I notice if you take the same test twice, you'll often get a near completely different set of questions. This is both good and bad I think. Good because you get to learn more from it, but bad because there might be some good words you miss in there. And having just unlocked another game (where you piece together components to make kanji, I can say that's probably the most fun game, but it looks like they only have a very limited selection of kanji to choose from as the same ones keep coming back again and again.

Shane said...

Hmm...

Well, I can see where your comming from, but I still think it's pretty good for what it is. Having new kanji pop up all the time would be testing only the short term memory even more wouldn't it? At least in this way you are getting practice in both the kanji and the readings. After all though, it's meant to be a refresher course to assist Japanese people, not really teach it to them. So at least as Japanese students, we are getting some structure rather then just whatever it decides to throw at you (which is what most other software does...my next review will be for Kindaichi no Nihongo Resson).

Also yea, that is the main bad thing about the software, the inability to review anything. I would have liked a menu and kanji selection style similar to kakitori-kun (but without all the unecessary menu taps).

I haven't unlocked that game yet, it sounds smiliar to what kakitori-kun has. Though I have to admit, and this is entirely my personal style...but I don't like those catagory tests. I hate studying a group of words that have to do with one area or topic. It's like, when will I ever have to use even half the words that come up in the cooking section. It's something I'll address in that studying kanji article I'm working on.

Coal said...

I think the reason there's generally no decent review on these "games" is that the DS Cards only have 256 KBits of flash memory onboard, which is not enough for much more than a general analysis. Certainly not enough for a decent progress report on each kanji. We should feel blessed with what we have I guess!

Shane said...

True, very true. Hopefully someday these kinds of language titles will catch on outside of Japan and we might see some titles 100% devoted to Japanese students. Ahh..(drool).

Joel said...

Thanks for this review, based on it I ordered "Nazotte Oboeru". This game is pretty addictive! But then I've always found studying kanji to be pretty fun :) I wish the DS had been available when I was in Japan studying full force. Looking forward to more reviews (and probably a purchase of Kanken DS 2 when it is released).

Shane said...

Thanks joel!

Glad you found the review helpful and your enjoying the game! 頑張ってよ!More reviews are coming...stay tuned...

Anonymous said...

How do you change your level in this game? It started from level 7 which is kind of impossible for me.

Anonymous said...

Nevermind, I found the solution. I had to enter my age as 7.

Al said...
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Al said...

The kanzenhan version of this is even better: http://traveljapanblog.com/wordpress/tag/nazotte-oboeru-otona-no-kanji-renshuu/

HP said...

Hi, I'm currently deciding whether to buy:
Nazotte Oboeru Otona no Kanji Renshuu (なぞっておぼえる大人の漢字練習)
or the new version:
Nazotte Oboeru Otona no Kanji Renshuu Kanzenhan (なぞっておぼえる大人の漢字練習 完全版)

Maybe you can help me - just a few questions:
1) In the old version, the mini-games included:
* food-related kanji mini-games or practicing read food/recipe-related words
* a game where you are given several bushus/primitives and you have to write a kanji using all the parts
Does the new version include these same games?
2) About stroke order - do both games show you an animation of the correct stroke order for drawing a kanji character before you practise writing it yourself?
(I read that the new version includes models showing the proper way to write each character - how does this differ from the old version?)
3) Any information about the kinds of mini-games that the new version includes?
4) Lastly - I guess that neither game *forces* you to use correct stroke order - i.e. it will recognise kanji drawn with a different stroke order, or even if they are drawn a little incorrectly? I can live with this as long as it has an animation showing me the correct stroke order, so I can try to copy it.
5) Are there any really great extras that the new game has, which the old one didn't have?

Sorry for all the questions - thanks in advance for answers to even one or two of my questions (especially interested whether the food-kanji mini-games are in the new version) ... looking forward to buying one of these great games soon.
HP